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Another Polling Miss in the Midwest and Pennsylvania?
Resolved
NO
Nov 12
S$23,402 bet

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ussgordoncaptain
ussgordoncaptain bought S$2,234 of NO
Fox Resolves No on All 3:https://www.foxnews.com/elections CNN Resolves NO on all 3 : https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/results/senate?iid=politics_election_hp_ticker&admin1=39&election-data-id=2022-SG&selected-election-data-id=2022-SG-OH&election-painting-mode=projection&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false ABC news resolves NO on all 3: https://abcnews.go.com/Elections/2022-us-senate-election-results-live-map At this point it is impossible for any of the 3 to resolve Yes on any of the sites I had access to
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ussgordoncaptain
ussgordoncaptain is betting NO at 4%
@SalemCenter All major Televisions stations resolve no, as does the NYT. IDK what's left to count
ussgordoncaptain
ussgordoncaptain is betting NO at 4%
All 3 states have >99% of votes counted which means that it is mathematically impossible for there to be an error
ussgordoncaptain
ussgordoncaptain bought S$2,234 of NO
Fox Resolves No on All 3:https://www.foxnews.com/elections CNN Resolves NO on all 3 : https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/results/senate?iid=politics_election_hp_ticker&admin1=39&election-data-id=2022-SG&selected-election-data-id=2022-SG-OH&election-painting-mode=projection&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false ABC news resolves NO on all 3: https://abcnews.go.com/Elections/2022-us-senate-election-results-live-map At this point it is impossible for any of the 3 to resolve Yes on any of the sites I had access to
del
deleted bought S$800 of NO
@SalemCenter The New York times now reports 94% of ballots counted in Pennsylvania and >95% of ballots counted in the other two states. Here’s the numbers for Republicans: State, 538 Forecast, Result from NYT Ohio, 53.2%, 53.3% Pennsylvania, 49.5%, 47.2% Wisconsin, 52.4%, 50.5% So that would give us an average bias of ((53.2% - 53.3%) + (49.5% - 47.2%) + (52.4% - 50.5%))/3 = 1.36% in favor of Republicans, less than 3% against. And if my math is correct, it’s now impossible for that to change even if it’s just Republican ballots from now on.
IraklisTsatsoulis
Iraklis Tsatsoulis is betting NO at 5%
@1941159478 I think you may have not chosen the most appropriate way to represent the situation: the market is for at least 3% bias towards *Democrats*, but the results so far indicate a -1.32 bias (i.e. actually a bias towards *Republicans*).
Max
Max bought S$143 of NO
Dollars on sale for 70 cents apiece here. I put most of my S$ into this market weeks ago, when it was trading closer to 50-50. IMO it was always way more likely to resolve NO (because YES was a bet against 538 being good at modeling...), but enough results are in that this is now free money for anyone with spare S$ not locked up in other markets.
ussgordoncaptain
ussgordoncaptain is betting NO at 17%
@Max yeah the issue was that while it will be resolving NO, the market about red wave will also resolve NO and that had a lot better payout
ussgordoncaptain
ussgordoncaptain is betting NO at 4%
@Max ran out of capital to throw against it we'll see
BillyCostigan
silly market cause 538 attempts to remove bias in weighting , so its misleading and pointless. I
TimH
Tim H bought S$51 of NO
Polling bias was nil for the 2018 midterms (when Trump was not on the ballot, as in 2022): https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-state-of-the-polls-2019/
MatthewLilley
Matthew Lilley is betting YES at 40%
@TimH If we look at the high profile races in the midwest in 2018 Indiana senate: Final RCP average - Dem 1.3 Result Rep 5.9 Ohio senate: No RCP average, but if I use the last 3 polls - i.e. October or later, no others close to ED - Dem 11 Result Dem 6.4 Ohio gov: Again no RCP average, but ave of last 3 polls - Dem 4.7 Result Rep 4.3 Wisconsin gov: Last 3 polls - Dem 2.3, Result Dem 1.3 Wisconsin senate: RCP average - Dem 10.6, Result Dem 10.8 Michigan senate: RCP average - Dem 8.3, Result Dem 6.4 Michigan gov: RCP average - Dem 10.0, Result Dem 8.5 Pennsylvania gov: RCP average Dem 19.6, Result Dem 17.1 Pennsylvania senate: RCP average Dem 14.3, Result Dem 12.9 And if Missouri counts, Missouri senate: RCP average Rep 0.6, Result Rep 6.0 So, 9 out of 10 went more Republican than the RCP polling average (if available) or the last 3 polls listed on RCP's website. The average error looks to be about 3.4 points towards the Dems. (And perhaps cherrypicking, but if you look at the ones expected to be close - Ohio gov, Indiana senate, Missouri senate, Wisconsin gov - those misses were larger than average).
TimH
Tim H is betting NO at 40%
@MatthewLilley Taking your numbers as given, that's more informative than the national averages I pointed towards. I guess that means the rest of the country had a polling bias in the opposite direction, but that's less relevant for this market.
IraklisTsatsoulis
Mis-worded, to say the least; 538 forecasts are not polls - they are the output of a statistical model which includes polls (among other things)

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